Lead guitar rock level 2. intervals.

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xamovz

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Hello,

I am on rock level 2 at the core course, the content of lead guitar playing thirds with the pentatonic scale. I understand the concept of intervals from previous chapters on the course, even so with this last video I don't know how to find these thirds or sixths on the pentatonic scale. I basically reproduced the playing in the lesson. Is there some more content or any explanation to know how to find thirds, sixths at level 2 in rock and play them with different keys along the fretboard?
thanks

#1

Hello,

I am on rock level 2 at the core course, the content of lead guitar playing thirds with the pentatonic scale. I understand the concept of intervals from previous chapters on the course, even so with this last video I don't know how to find these thirds or sixths on the pentatonic scale. I basically reproduced the playing in the lesson. Is there some more content or any explanation to know how to find thirds, sixths at level 2 in rock and play them with different keys along the fretboard?
thanks

ChristopherSchlegel

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Posts: 6509

Originally Posted by: xamovz

I am on rock level 2 at the core course, the content of lead guitar playing thirds with the pentatonic scale.

Anders is only using the pentatonic scale as a visual reference. But he's actually using the full diatonic scale because you need all 7 notes in order to play a series of 3rds intervals. The pentatonic scale skips notes, so it's not possible to use the 3rds concept consistently.

With a diatonic scale you can consistently skips 3rds:

1-3

2-4

3-5

4-6

5-7

6-1

7-2

1-3

But with minor pentatonic you are missing scale degrees 2 & 6! Or with major pentatonic you are missing scale degrees 4 & 7. So you are stuck with:

minor pentatonic

1-3

3-5

4-7

5-?

7-?

So you could fill in the blanks there with other notes, but it's not going to be 3rds because those notes are missing from pentatonic. Make sense?

You could do this:

minor pentatonic

1-3

3-5

4-7

5-1

7-3

It sounds like what you really need is to be able to better visualize the scale degrees on the fretboard so you can play whatever patterns you want.

These tutorials cover the patterns vertically, one position at a time.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=370

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=453

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=887

These tutorials cover the patterns horizontally across sets of strings.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=898

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=899

And this lessons shows you patterns of 3rds diatonically.

https://www.guitartricks.com/lesson.php?input=12745

Hope this helps!

Christopher Schlegel
Guitar Tricks Instructor

Christopher Schlegel Lesson Directory

#2

Originally Posted by: xamovz

I am on rock level 2 at the core course, the content of lead guitar playing thirds with the pentatonic scale.

Anders is only using the pentatonic scale as a visual reference. But he's actually using the full diatonic scale because you need all 7 notes in order to play a series of 3rds intervals. The pentatonic scale skips notes, so it's not possible to use the 3rds concept consistently.

With a diatonic scale you can consistently skips 3rds:

1-3

2-4

3-5

4-6

5-7

6-1

7-2

1-3

But with minor pentatonic you are missing scale degrees 2 & 6! Or with major pentatonic you are missing scale degrees 4 & 7. So you are stuck with:

minor pentatonic

1-3

3-5

4-7

5-?

7-?

So you could fill in the blanks there with other notes, but it's not going to be 3rds because those notes are missing from pentatonic. Make sense?

You could do this:

minor pentatonic

1-3

3-5

4-7

5-1

7-3

It sounds like what you really need is to be able to better visualize the scale degrees on the fretboard so you can play whatever patterns you want.

These tutorials cover the patterns vertically, one position at a time.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=370

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=453

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=887

These tutorials cover the patterns horizontally across sets of strings.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=898

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=899

And this lessons shows you patterns of 3rds diatonically.

https://www.guitartricks.com/lesson.php?input=12745

Hope this helps!

Christopher Schlegel
Guitar Tricks Instructor

Christopher Schlegel Lesson Directory

xamovz

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Posts: 19

Geez...overwhelmed! I'll dig in these tutorials for a while till I get it clear.

thanks a lot.

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Geez...overwhelmed! I'll dig in these tutorials for a while till I get it clear.

thanks a lot.

ChristopherSchlegel

Guitar Tricks Instructor

Joined: 08/09/05

Posts: 6509

Originally Posted by: xamovz

Geez...overwhelmed! I'll dig on these tutorials for a while till I get it clear.

thanks a lot.

Keep in mind in that tutorial Anders is just giving you the basic idea of something interesting to do with a scale. "Look you don't have to just use scale notes in order. You can shake up the order to make it more interesting!"

So, you don't have to go beyond that. It really just depends on your goals. If you want to know every possible way to play 3rds in any scale, then that's fine. But you should have some purpose in mind for it.

Is there some song or musical idea you are trying to play? Are you just curious?

The ideas & patterns in the tutorials I linked are something you can learn & practice for as long as you are playing guitar. I still practice those patterns to warm up & keep in shape! So you don't have to learn them & do them all right now. Just take you time with them & add them to your practice routine as you are able & as they fit your goals & priorities.

Hope that helps!

Christopher Schlegel
Guitar Tricks Instructor

Christopher Schlegel Lesson Directory

#4

Originally Posted by: xamovz

Geez...overwhelmed! I'll dig on these tutorials for a while till I get it clear.

thanks a lot.

Keep in mind in that tutorial Anders is just giving you the basic idea of something interesting to do with a scale. "Look you don't have to just use scale notes in order. You can shake up the order to make it more interesting!"

So, you don't have to go beyond that. It really just depends on your goals. If you want to know every possible way to play 3rds in any scale, then that's fine. But you should have some purpose in mind for it.

Is there some song or musical idea you are trying to play? Are you just curious?

The ideas & patterns in the tutorials I linked are something you can learn & practice for as long as you are playing guitar. I still practice those patterns to warm up & keep in shape! So you don't have to learn them & do them all right now. Just take you time with them & add them to your practice routine as you are able & as they fit your goals & priorities.

Hope that helps!

Christopher Schlegel
Guitar Tricks Instructor

Christopher Schlegel Lesson Directory

xamovz

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Joined: 04/03/20

Posts: 19

I wasn't interested in playing a specific song, the thing is that after the tutorial I expected being able to transfer this skill into my playing with pentatonic scales. I found myself not being autonomous enough to get the thirds in a given pattern or key. So that's why I sent the thread. I know sometimes some content here it's an introduction to an idea which might not be developed in depth as much as one may want. Then one might find lost digging in things like these intervals for instance, as I lack the experience and guidance to learn by myself. My goal is to know as many resources as I can and being able to use them autonomously to ultimately enjoy the expression of my guitar skills in the long term.

I've played the guitar 2 years like about 15 years ago. Due to the confinament here in Spain I started playing in April, I practise 6 days a week for 2hours each day average. My development it's being quite satisfying so far thanks to Guitartricks.

Thanks for your assistance, I understand the possibilities are infinite and step by step I can introduce these exercises you sent me in my routine as I improve in time.

#5

I wasn't interested in playing a specific song, the thing is that after the tutorial I expected being able to transfer this skill into my playing with pentatonic scales. I found myself not being autonomous enough to get the thirds in a given pattern or key. So that's why I sent the thread. I know sometimes some content here it's an introduction to an idea which might not be developed in depth as much as one may want. Then one might find lost digging in things like these intervals for instance, as I lack the experience and guidance to learn by myself. My goal is to know as many resources as I can and being able to use them autonomously to ultimately enjoy the expression of my guitar skills in the long term.

I've played the guitar 2 years like about 15 years ago. Due to the confinament here in Spain I started playing in April, I practise 6 days a week for 2hours each day average. My development it's being quite satisfying so far thanks to Guitartricks.

Thanks for your assistance, I understand the possibilities are infinite and step by step I can introduce these exercises you sent me in my routine as I improve in time.